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Forum - Feedback - Mobile Phone Action - Messages http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Forum - Feedback - Mobile Phone Action - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:44:54 GMT Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:44:54 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72
http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5734-arm-yourself.aspx]]> Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:44:54 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:18:01 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from tonyob67 ziggy72 wrote:

This is the plan

Hello, Do you have the arms ready?can you shared them? Please?
We should have a separated blog, web page or forum so we can share all our assets..
Maybe it's just me, but since I work with muvizu, I see people that looks like my characters everywhere....Hahaha
Thank you]]> Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:16:52 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Looks identical to the Muvizu one.]]> Tue, 17 May 2016 20:44:32 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 ziggy72 wrote:

I use the same fake arm, as it happens, although I'm going to make a new one.

Better now

]]> Tue, 17 May 2016 20:43:43 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from PatMarrNC I think the key here is how much you want to learn the stuff. I am fairly certain that if you sit and work at it you can learn a lot in a few months.

That's good advice, and I agree with it. But its kind of like saying that one's ability to eat an elephant depends on how much one wants to eat an elephant. No matter what the goal, its always one bite at a time. The question is... do you keep taking bites? Or do you give up?

Multiple learning curves (I want to eat a LOT of elephants) means you fill up faster.

I love learning, and I have no problem immersing myself when I decide to do so. But I've found that (for me) it's better to pick my battles and my learning curves so that I can maintain my appetite for each entree. Most of my learning curves have remained interesting for years... a few hit dead ends and dropped off the list.

In my case that manifests as using a variety of less robust programs, oftentimes using them only for one or two things at which they excel. I accept the fact that at some point I will need capability that my current stable of tools can't provide, and then I'll have an incentive to eat another elephant.
edited by PatMarrNC on 17/05/2016]]> Tue, 17 May 2016 16:46:59 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 ]]> Tue, 17 May 2016 15:53:09 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from urbanlamb PatMarrNC wrote:

thanks for that info, Urban Lamb and Ziggy... sounds interesting! If I ever get caught up with the other 50 learning curves I have in progress, I'll have to DL that and give it a try!

(Is that screaming face one of your models?)
edited by PatMarrNC on 16/05/2016

I think the key here is how much you want to learn the stuff. I am fairly certain that if you sit and work at it you can learn a lot in a few months. 3dCoat is a bit hard the videos on what buttons do what are a bit out of date its true and it also assumes you are already well versed in the process of creating something. However if your willing to read the internet basically and sit and watch videos until it makes sense anyone can learn this stuff. ...even blender.

I learned 3dcoat in maybe a week because of the fact I had already a grounding and it was a matter of using the interface. If your starting from scratch the basic process and learning it will take a month or two I would think to get to the point of at least being able to create something for yourself that is usable and pleasing.

It may not obey all the rules and principles of modelling for realtime engines but that is another step in and of itself. The point is to learn how to do it first and then pile on more info afterwards when your ready. We all had to start somewhere

edited by urbanlamb on 17/05/2016]]> Tue, 17 May 2016 15:25:09 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 ]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 23:24:02 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
(Is that screaming face one of your models?)
edited by PatMarrNC on 16/05/2016]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 23:10:44 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from urbanlamb PatMarrNC wrote:

urbanlamb wrote:

Also 3Dcoat is very cool yup it lacks some things that zbrush has but its actually faster to work with then zbrush for the options that it replicates due to the voxel thing. If you just like to make cool art and never export it to anything else its good for that too. You can make some nice scenes just you know for prettyness right inside it. Although I find it awkward for hard surface modelling its really nice for anything that is organic. Big Grin

I dont like sensei because I already use vanilla blender. I use the sculpting abilities of blender but zbrush & blender don't use voxels and 3dcoat does so its much much faster with 3dcoat.

for instance I was making a set of characters and i wanted the characters to have different clothing appearances I could just lob the heads, hands and feet of the character and duplicate those things and move to another layer and sculpt an entire new midsection.

I use blender a lot but the other tool I use because of its voxel abilities is 3dcoat.
edited by urbanlamb on 18/05/2016]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 20:24:28 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72

It works like Photoshop, and you can link it to PS so that you can edit the UVs in there, save them, and when you come back here the model has already updated. I just paint on the model directly though, which is just so satisfying... Anyway, great program, and I'm still learning.]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 20:04:51 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 urbanlamb wrote:

Yeah, for simple stuff I rough it out in something simpler (sketchup, blender, etc) and then give it the Coat treatment Gavel

]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 19:54:03 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from PatMarrNC urbanlamb wrote:

Have you tried the Blender Sensei add-on called ZeroBrush (which is apparently named as close to Z-brush as they can get away with, so it must be their intent to mimic its functionality)

But then, if you already have Z-Brush, why would you bother with a knockoff of it...?]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 19:43:06 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from urbanlamb ziggy72 wrote:

Then it's into blender - import the OBJ, resize it down massively, press N and tick Textured Solid (no idea what menu N brings up, but it's blender, you just have to know some shortcuts because you'll never find them in the UI).
Export as an FBX (Mesh only, Geometries Smoothing set to Face not Normals, or else you get that horrible segmented thing that FBX does).

I just noticed this but "N" is basically the command to bring up the left menu in whatever context its in so if your making armatures etc the options it brings up is the menu that relates to that for example or animating or modelling or whatever

so its "bring up the menu" there is also a little + as well that does the same thing it just unhides the menu linked to the functions your working with

]]> Mon, 16 May 2016 19:21:04 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 PatMarrNC wrote:

in the screen shot with the blue arm... what software was that?

3D Coat - you can get a 30 day trial of the full program here http://3dcoat.com/download/

It's a hefty program, but damn does it do it's job well. Well, once you learn the intricacies of it it does it's job well, which isn't easy because the tutorials are all out of date...]]> Sun, 15 May 2016 02:53:55 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from PatMarrNC Sun, 15 May 2016 01:07:25 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from urbanlamb ziggy72 wrote:

Additional note - the blender collision volume has to be named UCX_modelname, but never UCX_model_name - the underscore character means something in this context, which I didn't realise, which is why I couldn't get the collision to work right. Sorted!

oh LOL yeah dont get fancy

anyhow now that its all working you can make awesome crap Big Grin

]]> Sun, 15 May 2016 00:21:20 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 UCX_modelname, but never UCX_model_name - the underscore character means something in this context, which I didn't realise, which is why I couldn't get the collision to work right. Sorted!]]> Sat, 14 May 2016 16:13:51 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from urbanlamb ziggy72 wrote:

PAINT ROOM - Dont use layer 0!! Hide all voxtree objects before you start!! (Many thanks to UrbanLamb for helping me with these, and this whole procedure!).
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And then it imports into Muvizu. Still having trouble removing the collision ATM but working on it. Hope this helps Hesh, I think I know what you're going through Big Grin

edited by ziggy72 on 01/05/2016

Your welcome *insert noob/newbie joke here*

I think I know what your blender issue with triangulation was, but I thought I would wait till you got back to that cause if you pile too much info in at once some falls out before you get to use it Big Grin

]]> Sun, 01 May 2016 23:35:23 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from mrmuviz
Hesh]]> Sun, 01 May 2016 22:45:59 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 After I've made my voxel object...

SCULPT ROOM object - AUTOPO out (right click menu on Voxtree), default settings unless it has issues, Required Polygon Count @ 8000 for detailed stuff (I'm only using around 1000 right now for the arm and that seems more than enough to Paint with)

RETOPO ROOM - Edge Loops > Auto Seams, Then (UV) Unwrap
(or I mark my own edges rather than Auto Seam, it depends on how the UV preview looks - lots of deep reds or blues means it's not a good map, otherwise it's good to go)
Menu > Bake with Normal Map (missed this step the first time I posted this)

UV ROOM - (Commands list) Apply UV Set

PAINT ROOM - Dont use layer 0!! Hide all voxtree objects before you start!! (Many thanks to UrbanLamb for helping me with these, and this whole procedure!).

Paint up yer object on new layer(s), then export as an OBJ

Then it's into blender - import the OBJ, resize it down massively, press N and tick Textured Solid (no idea what menu N brings up, but it's blender, you just have to know some shortcuts because you'll never find them in the UI).
Export as an FBX (Mesh only, Geometries Smoothing set to Face not Normals, or else you get that horrible segmented thing that FBX does).

And then it imports into Muvizu. Still having trouble removing the collision ATM but working on it. Hope this helps Hesh, I think I know what you're going through Big Grin

edited by ziggy72 on 01/05/2016]]> Sun, 01 May 2016 20:48:43 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from mrmuviz
Hesh]]> Sun, 01 May 2016 18:34:19 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from theotherguy Sun, 01 May 2016 04:01:21 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72
Holding a tray (as per the picture)
Holding a gun
Holding a phone (mobile and old school)
Using a mobile/tablet (Right hand holding, Left with index finger extended)
Holding a cup
Holding a utensil
An extended fist
Smoking position (pipe or cig)
Generic position (for scratching head or whatever)
Middle finger (thanks TheOtherGuy)

They will be in FBX format, so you could use blender to further tweak them to your own needs/models.
edited by ziggy72 on 01/05/2016
edited by ziggy72 on 01/05/2016]]> Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:58:10 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from Rocque ziggy72 wrote:

This is the plan

Will the arm and hand be available for others to "borrow"?]]> Sat, 30 Apr 2016 03:51:44 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72

This is the plan

We have keyframes now, we don't necessarily need the rest of the character's body all the time... I'm going to make a sequence of arm shapes based on this one (if it looks right, haven't been in to Muvizu to check it yet). They will each have a UV map so you can texture them the same way as your character.]]> Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:03:23 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from Tangledbliss Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:54:41 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72 ]]> Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:27:05 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:50:12 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from Tangledbliss The range of character actions overall needs much more development.

Geoff

]]> Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:49:36 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ziggy72

]]> Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:46:04 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from ukBerty edited by ukBerty on 29/04/2016]]> Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:02:18 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5669-mobile-phone-action.aspx Message from Tangledbliss Work arounds? Sometimes I have the character turn with their back to the camera and then freeze the image while the talking audio continues, then cut back to ending the call. Sometimes I go for a close up of the face with full lip sync and superimpose a png image of an arm and hand captured seaprately. Both require a lot of faffing around with a video editor and neither very satisfactory. Am I the only user finding this a problem?
edited by Tangledbliss on 29/04/2016]]> Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:46:21 GMT