Forum - Tips & Tricks - Quadrupeds NEW with only ONE character ! - Messages http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Forum - Tips & Tricks - Quadrupeds NEW with only ONE character ! - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Tue, 09 Aug 2016 00:01:28 GMT Tue, 09 Aug 2016 00:01:28 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from PatMarrNC ziggy72 wrote:
Have you tried the horror actions? Might be something 'undead' in there. Other than that I was thinking of the robot, but he walks (and breathes!) like everyone else.


I've been busy with a music project, so I haven't tried anything yet... the idea of unbent legs jsut occurred to and I thought it was worth asking before spending a lot of time... y'all seem to have the options memorized!

Good idea on the horror actions.. I bet there's a way to makes zombies and mummies walk that way... thanks for the idea!]]> Tue, 09 Aug 2016 00:01:28 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese He has three places on each arm to attach things, and there is a little bendiness there!
So maybe a three part leg ?
Of course his real legs have no attachments, but some of the boots could be coloured ?]]> Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:24:59 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ziggy72 Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:06:04 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
But, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the reason for all this is because they're working on their own quadrapeds.
Hey, we can hope.

Speaking of which... I spent much of the weekend playing with Eugene's ideas here. I tried attaching thicker legs to the characters feet, but the vector follows the foot angle, not the leg... so when he bends his leg the top of the fake leg shoots outside the body.

Does anybody know if any of the actions involve walking with stiff (unbent or minimally bent legs? If so, I think I could make something work.]]> Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:47:51 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes eugenecheese wrote:
Ikes, if you know how to do it for real, then why should Muvizu object to you sharing ?


It states in the licence under 2.2.3

You shall use the Software only for the purpose of making animations (including video or still footage) (“Animations”) and, without limiting the foregoing generality, you shall not:
2.2.1 make or derive any product from the Software other than Animations;
2.2.2 remove any copyright notice from the Software;
2.2.3 work around any technical limitations in the Software or decompile, modify, reverse engineer, publicly display, prepare derivative works based on the Software, disassemble or otherwise reproduce it;
2.2.4 rent-out, sell, mortgage, charge, assign lease, barter, sub-license, distribute, publish or transmit the Software, or provide means for any other party to do so or otherwise deal in any way with all or any part of the Software or attempt to or purport to do any such acts.]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:24:57 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese One new feature I'd like would be to make the Heads invisible, leaving attachments visible.
edited by eugenecheese on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:19:35 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 eugenecheese wrote:
Ikes, if you know how to do it for real, then why should Muvizu object to you sharing ?

Because it'll be a method that involves changing some core files to access the building blocks of an upcoming feature. (Which I assume is against the EULA)]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:13:58 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:12:10 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese
]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:09:35 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes eugenecheese wrote:
I am not using the pivot point of the legs. I am using a pivot point on the hands.


I know, I mean the pivot point of the fake legs, wich are connected to the hands. It is nice work arround though, not that I am saying it isn't.]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:55:29 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:37:29 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from PatMarrNC ikes wrote:
Hi, ok not in a row I see, but they still origin from besides the real legs. I think in the current state, it is quite impossible to have one character with four legs. There is a way I found with really 4 legs, but it requires altering some files and due to the licence it's not allowed. I asked support to share this here, but they asked me not to. Too bad. They are maybe considering a fully attachable character...but not shure about 4 legged.


I hope this does mean they are working on something that will help us to create animals! (or, better yet...on providing a set of professionally designed animals!

If it provides an incentive to do so, I'll go ahead and say up front that I'd pay whatever they asked in order to buy a true quadrapeds character pack! ESPECIALLY if it allowed attachments so we could make our own custom quadraped characters

Heck, it doesn't even have to be a SET.... if there are attachment points that allow mods, I'd pay whatever they ask for ONE truly modifiable critter!

If they don't do something fast, though... a lot of us are going to get in the habit of using other software to fill that void... and after we share the knowledge of how we did it, the potential selling price of a quadraped pack won't be as high. Just sayin'.



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edited by PatMarrNC on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:29:47 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
One like Eugene's, used only in scenes where the character needs to walk...
One with a static body but animatable head for when the character needs to talk, look around or stand still
etc etc]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:23:19 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:17:02 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 ikes wrote:
eugenecheese wrote:
They origin from the Hands!


I mean if he stands still, with his hands beside his body, they are beside the real legs, not?

No

The leg, extensions in the hands, are both tilted backwards, NOT straight down.



They're at an angle so they sit behind the normal legs.]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:12:43 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes eugenecheese wrote:
They origin from the Hands!


I mean if he stands still, with his hands beside his body, they are beside the real legs, not?]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:11:17 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese Sun, 07 Aug 2016 15:01:57 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes Sun, 07 Aug 2016 14:58:21 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese The leg, extensions in the hands, are both tilted backwards, NOT straight down.
I am still experimenting with leg shapes to try to increase the distance between front and back legs. at present the back legs are tilted about 45 degrees backwards with the pivot on the top of the leg object. Also, at the last few seconds of the animation, they ARE standing still.
An engineer could crack it !
edited by eugenecheese on 07/08/2016
edited by eugenecheese on 07/08/2016
edited by eugenecheese on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 13:47:56 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes MrDrWho13 wrote:
ikes wrote:
But how does it look when he's not walking? Then you have 4 legs on a row?

Because the ones on the arms swing much wider than the others at opposite times, giving that illusion.


Yeah, I understand that, so it only looks like he has hind legs when he walks, not when he stands still.]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 11:10:09 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 ikes wrote:
But how does it look when he's not walking? Then you have 4 legs on a row?

Because the ones on the arms swing much wider than the others at opposite times, giving that illusion.]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 10:02:01 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from ikes Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:46:46 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Well done Rodrisilva for working out how it was done.
edited by MrDrWho13 on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:06:14 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese Just Tried Rosie ! Invisible arms and hands ! Makes new body shapes a lot narrower. No feet attachment, but lots of Legs options.
edited by eugenecheese on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:10:31 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese I used the regular MAN character, as he has both hand and feet attachment possibilities. Stick Man, no Feet !

edited by eugenecheese on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:00:55 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
One advantage of doing it all with one character is that you wouldn't have to use the "walking in place while the background moves" trick.... the character could walk as usual.
edited by PatMarrNC on 07/08/2016]]> Sun, 07 Aug 2016 02:44:00 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese Rodrisilva
You are 100% correct! Two, leg attachments on the arms, and a body to hide the bits that should not be seen !
I will put up the same animation without the Ball and Horse, in the morning.
I'm sure, with patience it could be a lot better. Why not try ? The body attachment was a hat one.]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 23:33:08 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from Rocque Sat, 06 Aug 2016 16:33:37 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
But in this case the leg movements aren't identical, so I'm inclined to think that Rod is correct
edited by PatMarrNC on 06/08/2016]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 13:58:17 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from Rodrisilva eugenecheese wrote:

I shall wait a while, to see if you can guess how I did it !
I will show you how soon.



How about one character with 3 attachments. One for horse body and one fake leg in each arm.
Could it be ?]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 09:17:06 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 edited by MrDrWho13 on 06/08/2016]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 08:41:35 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5840-quadrupeds-new-with-only-one-character-.aspx Message from eugenecheese
I shall wait a while, to see if you can guess how I did it !
I will show you how soon.]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 08:38:58 GMT