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25/03/2016 00:15:36

braj
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How about Muvizu releasing some foliage that is more realistic and that is animated. We can add our own trees, but we can't make them sway like the stock props. Thanks!
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01/04/2016 11:04:05

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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braj wrote:
How about Muvizu releasing some foliage that is more realistic and that is animated. We can add our own trees, but we can't make them sway like the stock props. Thanks!


One consideration here is that nature's default includes a lot of variation. Small tress move in the wind more than large trees. The wind is wispy, and it affects some areas more than others.

Bottom line, just including a few of the default moving trees with some static trees tricks the mind into seeing the whole scene as being animated.

A musical analogy: In a musical composition, including a few audio tracks with some MIDI tracks has the effect of making the the whole song sound more like it was composed with real instruments, whereas a composition consisting of MIDI tracks only will tend to sound synthetic.

Upshot in both cases is that it doesn't take 100% change of elements to create a dramatically improved perception in the audience's mind. Often times a very small introduction of dynamic content makes the whole project seem more dynamic.

(My 2 pence. )
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03/04/2016 21:07:39

braj
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But if you don't want the default cartoony trees, you are stuck. Some upgraded foliage would be nice. Alternately, if we could add textures to the existing ones, that would make for a lot more variety as well.
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03/04/2016 23:54:43

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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braj wrote:
But if you don't want the default cartoony trees, you are stuck. Some upgraded foliage would be nice. Alternately, if we could add textures to the existing ones, that would make for a lot more variety as well.


Braj,

I want to start by saying how much I respect your creativity, and your ability to think up clever ways to make Muvizu do what you want. I envy that, and I hold that ability in very high regard. Its something you just don't see in a lot of people, but you have it in abundance. Having said that...

Based on the things you say and the trouble you go to in order to make Muvizu not look like Muvizu, I have to think you're spinning your wheels on a product that isn't what you really want.

Pretty much everything you say you want is already available in iclone, and NOT available in Muvizu.

The Muvizu environment is cartoony. All of the accessories are cartoony. The actions are exaggerated, cartoon style. Except for projects directed by people who are willing to model virtually every prop in their videos in order to get a different look and feel, Muvizu productions are destined to look cartoony. If you don't want cartoony, then you have basically two choices:

1) resign yourself to modelling every prop in every scene in order to get the look you want or
2) switch to a product that natively offers the look and feel you're after

My suggestion for you is to put iclone on your charge card so you can have it today and pay as time allows. Right now there's a sale and you can get Iclone 6 plus the 3d exchange and some other stuff for $349.. the 3d exchange is what lets you import models, and I'm thinking you would want that.

http://www.reallusion.com/store/product.html?l=1&p=ic#iC6Studio
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04/04/2016 00:20:17

braj
braj
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Um ok. Sorry but this kinda sounds condescending. I'll be getting iclone in the future, was planning on that for a long time, but that doesn't mean I don't want to use Muvizu even then. This is the feedback thread, I'm just throwing out ideas, I'm not batching about the product. I want Muvizu to prosper frankly because I love their business model of a free version for all people to use and want to see it popularized. That's where my suggestions really come from, enthusiasm.
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04/04/2016 00:22:16

braj
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I think I'll bow out of this forum and community now, it is way too small, mostly I'd only be talking to you and you are trying to make me go away, so... Bye.
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04/04/2016 03:11:44

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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braj wrote:
I think I'll bow out of this forum and community now, it is way too small, mostly I'd only be talking to you and you are trying to make me go away, so... Bye.
edited by braj on 04/04/2016
edited by braj on 04/04/2016


Braj.. please accept my apology! I certainly am NOT trying to make you go away!

Re-reading what I wrote I can see how it could come across as condescending, but that wasn't my intent! My point was just to offer a 3rd party perspective, with no expectation that you would agree with it. But to some extent you must agree, or you wouldn't be planning to buy iclone at some point.

In the final analysis, all the choices are yours.But if you leave, don't leave with the idea that I disrespect you, because that would not be true. As stated on many occasions already, I think the stuff you're doing is downright amazing. I enjoy seeing it, and I think your various ideas are brilliant!

I guess what I was doing was the same thing I would do on a musician forum if I knew a guy was interested in buying some new gear, but he was reluctant for the usual wife reasons. I'd paint a scenario where the obvious conclusion was for him to go ahead and go for it. Life is too short to spend it wishing for stuff (or features) that you don't have... but COULD have for a few bucks.

Yes, I know all this is none of my business... but when my wife died 3 years ago, it changed the way I think about deferred happiness. That's all I'll say, except to add that I sincerely hope you stay.
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04/04/2016 07:27:17

ritsmer
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Quite funny - yesterday I spent quite some time searching for some new animated foliage.

Being a video amateur I see Muvizu as a great extra tool to vary some of my (real life) films which tend to be rather - say - imaginative (according to my friends) - and so I do not have time to make the effort taking even more tools into my bag - and certainly no time to learn to use them properly.

In order to learn Muvizu in depth - and try out what can be done - and what not - I am making a few Muvizu films using Muvizu only (and Sony Vegas for post work, of course).

In one of the scenes - happening in a jungle clearing - I really could need some more different bushes and trees - even if it helps that we can change the colors of leaves and stems of the existing ones - and vary their size - and turn them and ...

So much for extra foliage.


Also there have been wishes for more character actions.
Yes, the existing many ones are good - but how do you make Luke Skywalker reach out and switch on a camera on a tripod before Yoda tries to levitate a space ship? and how do you make Luke reach out and hold his hand over a can of baked beans in order to levitate it too ?
Of course I have solved these issues in the film by using a right point behind the camera+tripod that covers most of the movement etc. - no big problem - and it looks credible for the untrained eye - but I am looking forward to buying an "Character-actions-pack" like the more-than-great "Key-frames-pack" we got in 2015 :- ) please ?
edited by ritsmer on 04/04/2016
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