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28/03/2014 12:38:40

chucklesExperimental user
chuckles
Posts: 126 		I just Posted This -

The Idiot Copyright people say they own it because it is by the Bonzo Dog Band!
It is NOT by the Bonzo Dog Band! It is The ORIGINAL 1933 recording (Out of copyright) By Jack Hodges!
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28/03/2014 12:55:39

InsaneHamster
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Posts: 272 		I recall at one time Kevin MacLeod was having problems also. People was using his music for their videos and was getting copyright infringement notifications telling them it was owned by someone else. Took a long time for him to get that settled. He had to talk to youtube and those third party companies claiming to own the rights. And in the end he got nothing out of it for them scamming people. Except no more copyright infringement. I guess a victory is a victory no matter what the spoils if any.
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28/03/2014 16:31:29

urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		you need to dispute them this is not the actual people this is the youtube bot system its a piece of software if you can prove this is in the public domain give them the link proving its in the public domain if they reject your claim which they probably will because these companies dont actually read the submissions you then need to go to step two which would require them to actually watch your video and prove they have rights over it at which point you supply the link and info proving that the stuff is in the public domain and they will drop it. But you do need to prove it. This happens all the time and yes its a lot of work but if this system did not exist youtube would have been shut down years ago lol so we have to take the good with the bad.

So you just submit the info and the person actually owning the thing who have given permission will clear it but you also need to be aware that some companies who dont own these things take advantage of the youtube contant ID system and feed these things into it and this is copyfraud and this happens a lot as well. If its copyfraud usually they are identified and the second you put in the dispute the claim will disappear but again you need to follow the process set up by youtube.

/shrug

its life on the great interwebs and yes its annoying however I will point out some articles that prove why this particular system has been put into place ^^

http://www.tubefilter.com/2014/03/26/record-labels-music-video-covers-mashups-report/
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28/03/2014 16:48:35

chucklesExperimental user
chuckles
Posts: 126 		Hi
I have just phoned the Company who put in the claim. They said it was the Bonzo Dog Band, it is not, nor did they write it. The Lady I spoke to is listening to it as I write!
Paul (chuckles)
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28/03/2014 16:57:18

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		okay the company does not put the claim on the video. Youtube content id'd it for the company you need to follow the instructions of youtube to get this removed. They can't do anything until you dispute it using youtube's system. This happens a lot the person at the other end will deal with it but they can't until you put in a dispute because they can't release it because they dont have the dispute. Anyhow this has been explained and I have given you this onfo before and yes a lot of your stuff will get dinged and there are about 2 million different reasons.

'Knowledge is power' as they say.

take some time to learn the youtube system and research how do deal with this stuff because its going to happen I or anyone here can only give you catch all information as each id is unique

then again i will reverse this now there are in fact some companies that do abuse the system but no one here is able to say exactly what is wrong with the id because we cannot see your panel and exactly WHO is being matched and what the actual ID says. Its a piece of software and it does NOT work very well posting to these board about each and every id wont help you what will help you is to learn how the youtube system works
edited by urbanlamb on 29/03/2014
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28/03/2014 17:13:49

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		Just dispute the claim. I had an early video that used The Beatles song "Back in the USSR". Youtube tagged it as a song by a group called "Beat-less". I disputed it and it was restored. Still has the Beatles song on it.
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28/03/2014 17:16:15

chucklesExperimental user
chuckles
Posts: 126 		Years Ago, I put up a Video of Tiny Tim Singing "Great Balls Of Fire"
They actually removed it!
I own the copyright to that video! I filmed it, I got permission From Tiny Tim himself who was actually performing it for ME at MY REQUEST!
I wrote to the people claiming Copyright belongs to me. They did not reply.
There seems to be no way anybody can contact a human being at Youtube. It all goes through mindless robots. THAT is the Youtube system, and it is WRONG.
The only thing they have in their favour is money and lawyers.
Every day people put things on Youtube, that they have no rights to, and have had no input on. They have merely downloaded it From Youtube and put it back there under their own name.
Even if you acknowledge their claim, it can still not go on Muvizu.
I Have read and reread all about it on Youtube. I am almost an expert. But the fact remains that all they have to do is ignor every claim, and nobody can contact them to dispute it because they don't bother to read the claims. If anybody here has had a reply from Youtube, I apologise.
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28/03/2014 17:19:25

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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Posts: 399 		Check that! They removed the video.
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28/03/2014 17:23:50

chucklesExperimental user
chuckles
Posts: 126 		Just Had another look at my Raspberry King Muvizu. They HAVE removed their claim!
So it shows that if you can speak to a human being then it can be sorted out!
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28/03/2014 20:28:30

primaveranz
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Posts: 520 		Dump YouTube and use Vimeo.com instead. Much better, and not tied into the "Big Brother" Google empire.
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30/03/2014 10:34:45

chucklesExperimental user
chuckles
Posts: 126 		Do Muvizu Put Videos on Vimeo on the Gallery page ? I thought it was Youtube only.
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01/04/2014 22:03:16

chucklesExperimental user
chuckles
Posts: 126 		After I lasy wrote on this subject the copyright people dropped their claim, only to put on a fresh claim regarding the true artist. I again challenged this, because the recording is 81 years ols, and out of copyright!
They have now, once more withdrawn their claim! So I WON!

Please let it go on Muvizu Gallery now!
Paul
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01/04/2014 23:17:09

primaveranz
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Posts: 520 		chuckles wrote:
Do Muvizu Put Videos on Vimeo on the Gallery page ? I thought it was Youtube only.

Sadly no, they force you to use YouTube if you upload here, so I don't
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18/04/2014 13:44:09

mos6507
mos6507
Posts: 34 		This problem with Youtube ContentID is reaching a critical stage and people all over are talking about moving to Vimeo.

Sites that integrate with Youtube in some fashion should really look into supporting Vimeo.

As far as dogs on skateboards go, Youtube's not going anywhere, but for hobbyists who need to rely on preexisting music, Youtube is all but unusable now.
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18/04/2014 14:28:10

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		mos6507 wrote:
... but for hobbyists who need to rely on preexisting music, Youtube is all but unusable now.



Not having seen anything you've done, and straying slightly off the subject, one question persists... Why does it have to be "preexisting" music in the first place? Plenty of free music out there for anyone to use.
edited by bigwally on 18/04/2014
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18/04/2014 14:54:47

LugofilmLtd
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Posts: 74 		That's true, and when I plan a project now, I try to find creative commons music that fits just to avoid any hassle, but if I needed to use a specific pre-existing piece for the sake of a joke I don't see why I can't "borrow" if I'm not profiting from it.
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18/04/2014 15:00:48

mos6507
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Posts: 34 		"Why does it have to be "preexisting" music in the first place? Plenty of free music out there for anyone to use."


Because the free music has no pop-cultural resonance. If there's a free song that is in a similar style of, let's say, Beatles Yesterday, all it can do is rely on the intrinsic qualities of the song as a first-listen. If you use Yesterday itself, it evokes all of the thoughts and images surrounding the song and all of the ways it's been used throughout the decades, and you can create connections through that in through the themes of your story. It just has weight to it as a cultural artifact that free music lacks.

If you actually look at how Youtube is used, it is very much a device in which people remix and comment on pop-culture itself, usually through parody (think of all the Gangnam style parodies). But it can also be used in a more serious context. When Youtube flags stuff, it is telling people what they're doing is theft and not freedom of expression. This is a form of collage just as much as anyone who uses a compiled score in their work, like 2001 or Kill Bill. Regardless of whether permission is given or not, the creative impulse is the same and it should not be punished when nobody's making money off it.







edited by mos6507 on 18/04/2014
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18/04/2014 15:11:46

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		Don't get me wrong, I use copyrighted music in my Youtube vids all the time. Usually, when a video gets flagged, I acknowledge it and it's allowed. They tack on ads and such to it, but it's allowed.

Only one song they've refused to allow... Paul Simon's "Hobo's Blues". Only one. Not enough to give up on Youtube.
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18/04/2014 15:15:09

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		bigwally wrote:
Check that! They removed the video.


Check that! They removed it from one account, but not the other.
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18/04/2014 17:03:07

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		hehe just remember its youtube doing this mostly not the copyright holders half the time they are unaware so remember to get mad at the right person Big Grin
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18/04/2014 17:06:59

ukBertyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
ukBerty
Posts: 975 		Are we blaming YouTube unnecessarily here ?

Surely it's the copyright holders that are making YouTube block things - YouTube themselves would probably not want to bother.

There are plenty of other reasons to move from YouTube though.....
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18/04/2014 17:15:55

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		ukBerty wrote:
Are we blaming YouTube unnecessarily here ?

Surely it's the copyright holders that are making YouTube block things - YouTube themselves would probably not want to bother.

There are plenty of other reasons to move from YouTube though.....



there are cases where companies are allowing it but youtube is doing it "on behalf" of holders there was an article on it awhile back and a few companies came at youtube with guns a blazing because they in fact like the free marketting their products get as a result of the fan made stuff. In the case of actualy songs this might not be the case you have to look at who is claiming it. However in this new age of the interwebs in fact most companies including the large music conglomerates want this stuff to stay up on youtube so they can get some pennies off its use.

There was a slew of takedowns youtube just did about 3 months back that enraged the actual copyright holders as they didnt want their stuff taken down lol. This prompted a bunch of articles on the subject if you do some google searches. There are a lot of legitimate ones though. If you use copyright music though your not safe no matter what you think even if you acknowledge it etc you might turn around one day to find your youtube account gone. A good portion of the time though its youtube doing a kneejerk reaction and coding new bot stuff. Youtube gets sued up the ying yang lol they are like always in court though so I can understand their um approach. The moral of the story is though just dont use copyright music (even then your not safe lol but you minimize the risk)
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20/04/2014 22:22:55

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		here adding this now i can't find the really juicy articles I read at the time this started to happen but this has happened with music as well

There are a lot of valid content ID matches and copyright claims but there are a lot of invalid ones as well. Youtube takes it upon itself at times to act (even though the copyright holder has issues written permission) to systematically remove things in giant swathes across their platform. Although I am against people using copyrighted anything without asking permission first its common knowledge that the bulk of companies out there in fact encourage use of their material for marketting purposes.

Anyhow I could only find the gaming fiasco that hit in the new year but there was about one month later a similar one relating to fan made videos revolving around popular songs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/12/another-reason-why-youtubes-video-game-copyright-crackdown-doesnt-make-sense/
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12/09/2015 16:45:11

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
clayster2012
Posts: 645 		The way i do it, if I use any content not made by me, I always put a credit on the open credits, and the ending credits stating that so and so is the owner of whatever content I'm using and that they own all rights, and then end it with "This is a non-profit film", I been doing that in a lot of my videos on youtube and there has been a couple of times that they said I have a copyright violation and they had dubbed out the sound,but it never lasts long and they added the sound back, and I never heard anymore of it, and my videos are still there, I guess they realize that I'm crediting the creators and the owners for their content and I'm not making any money off of it, I'm still doing the same thing today, in fact I just made two Star Wars Spoofs on Muvizu and posted them almost a week ago, so far no complaints, so maybe we all need to start adding credits for the creator and owners of the contents we all use, because if you think of it they had a hand it as well, so they do deserve the credit.

Cheers.
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