Would you like an official Muvizu competition?

Yes with content packs/Muvizu credit as a prize: 12
Yes with a physical prize: 7
Yes with no prize: 1
No (It would be interesting to hear why): 1
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08/06/2016 23:01:15

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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I enjoyed the competitions in the past, but there hasn't been any for so long. Since it's been such a long time, many users who are regularly on the forum haven't even experienced any. (I'm thinking AMD fusion, and the various Christmas and Halloween ones)
Would you guys like Muvizu to have another competition? If so, what type would you suggest? What sort of video duration or competition opening time? Would people working on large projects want it later on in the year or next year? Are prizes a good idea?

So many questions, it would be interesting to hear what you all have to say about it.
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08/06/2016 23:59:02

eugenecheese
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The last tine I entered a competition many years ago (AMD fusion?) the winner was the person who did a blatant advert for the prize ! The actual competition said it could be anything lasting one minute or less.
Basically they picked the one they could use themselves !
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09/06/2016 00:48:19

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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I don't like the term "competition" because it implies that everybody but one person loses. Something about that doesn't make me feel inspired to stick my neck out.

I like the term "challenge". in which a theme is declared and everybody submits their interpretation. That would be fun for me whether there was a prize or not.

it might be fun to openly brainstorm in the forum for themes.

But if prizes were awarded... a very cool prize that might lure all the moguls out of hiding would be to give the winner power to pick some new feature to be implemented in Muvizu.

;-)
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09/06/2016 02:01:51

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I would watch what others make. I like the challenge idea, since there are all stages of animators here. It would be intimidating to enter something other than for the purpose of improving my skills using Muvizu. I hope some of the veteran users would enjoy participating so those of us who are newer could learn from them.
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09/06/2016 02:59:05

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eugenecheese wrote:
The last tine I entered a competition many years ago (AMD fusion?) the winner was the person who did a blatant advert for the prize ! The actual competition said it could be anything lasting one minute or less.
Basically they picked the one they could use themselves !


Actually, the original rules were for videos 10 seconds or less. By the time I had finished 2 ten-second videos, enough people complained about not being able to make any and they changed the rules. (Boo. hiss!)

P.S. - Glad to see you back Mr. Chuckles.
edited by bigwally on 09/06/2016
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09/06/2016 08:36:04

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Ah interesting! I like the idea of a challenge since if the Muvizu staff are to busy, it could still be run by regular users. (And maybe more effort can be put in to keep the rules consistent )
edited by MrDrWho13 on 09/06/2016
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09/06/2016 16:57:04

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The Anime Studio forum has a monthly thing where they declare a theme and anybody who wants to participate can post an animation. Naturally, the same people win all the time... but the real advantage is that it provides a focus for the forum, a learning experience for newbies, and a source of inspiration for people who struggle to think up fresh ideas.

Part of the deal is that the assets for each submission (rigged characters, sets etc) become freely downloadable in their asset store, so anybody can DL them and see how the pros approach a project.

Projecting the same idea onto the Muvizu paradigm, sets for submitted videos might go to the store as freebies.

I like this idea, and I look forward to seeing how it develops!
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09/06/2016 16:59:41

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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let's kick some ideas around for a theme!

we could start with a title and see how people develop it... such as
ZOMBIE HOLIDAY
THE CATS REVENGE
BEST OF TED TALKS

or maybe, each month pick a common workaround problem or animation challenge and see how people deal with it

FLYING A PLANE
RIDING A MOTORCYCLE
SKYDIVING
ADDING COMPOSITED EFFECTS
CLIMBING A LADDER
FLYING SUPERHERO

or we could go totally nuts and scramble a bunch of ideas into one insane project like
SKYDIVING ZOMBIE CAT FIRST PERSON SHOOTER GAME
edited by PatMarrNC on 09/06/2016
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09/06/2016 17:11:07

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I like the idea of a title and then freedom to do whatever based on it.
Zombie Holiday sounds good, but maybe something to keep for Halloween.
I like the comedy sketches which match the whole cartoon feel of Muvizu. hmmmm..... what would be good titles?


I like the holiday theme, and it's a good time of year for a holiday/vacation based competition.
edited by MrDrWho13 on 09/06/2016
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09/06/2016 17:37:26

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A time limit would probably be a good idea, perhaps somewhere around a minute? Maybe 30 seconds would be better.
edited by MrDrWho13 on 09/06/2016
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09/06/2016 19:46:57

urbanlamb
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Never really been a contest person. I entered a few just to beef up entries but I find them to be quite divisive.

Prizes are usually won by the people who need them least because their skill level is such that they likely have most of the tools. This is one of my contest pet peeves. I enter with something I know wont win because I want someone who needs the items to win them. So that is the opposite to what contests are intended I suppose but I dont want the goodies I likely already own one ore more of them so I need to avoid winning it lol.

I know not everyone thinks like me, but i am very non competitive and extremely introverted.

Anyhow so I wasn't going to even vote, but I thought a female geek perspective backed up by years of learning would be helpful.

My last reason is I can't stand deadlines lol but that has to do with the fact i am older and sort of at this point walk to the beat of my own drum. Once you get to a certain age and have experienced life you kind of change your views.
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09/06/2016 19:51:32

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Thanks for the different point of view urbanlamb!
Would the theme thing rather than a competition with a prize work better in your eyes? Is there a way to form to rules allowing for inexperienced users to have a good chance of winning?
Not sure you can do anything about the deadlines though.
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10/06/2016 02:20:10

drewiMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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Some will take it very seriously and enter to win, some will do it for fun, some will use it to gain skills......all seems good.
A title or two or three...to freely interpret will help people to find an inroad.
Moguls should be handicapped with faulty mice to make a level playing field.Ton of Bricks
edited by drewi on 10/06/2016
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10/06/2016 04:21:06

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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maybe a random drawing of a name selected from a list of everybody who participated would be a good way to level the playing field. Everybody who submitted a video would have an equal chance of winning, so that would encourage even newbies to enter. Hopefully that would translate into a bunch of participation. If the recent sale brought a bunch of new users on board that might draw some of them out and stir up more forum participation.

Or maybe there could be prizes awarded in different categories... one newbie prize which might be store credit.... maybe a special prize for Moguls ... polling the moguls for prize ideas that are appropriate for their situation might be a good idea

But store credit would work for everybody because sooner or later new products will be announced and Newbies and Moguls will both want them.

I nominate MrDrWho as contest administrator (the guy who gets to declare a theme, max time length and a completion date)
Anybody second the nomination?
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10/06/2016 08:13:32

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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I like the idea of the moguls being a panel of judges which might give more chance to newbies?
I was thinking it should be based on some summery themes, but if clayster is running another contest, maybe this needs to be put on hold for a month or so, so we don't clash.
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14/06/2016 18:19:31

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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since it looks like we're embarking on a series of contests, each one hosted by a different mogul.. I guess we should talk about whether or not to talk about upcoming contests in advance, or wait until the current contest ends before saying anything at all about the next one.

Speaking only for myself.. I admit to being painfully slow at this... to the point that a 4 week time limit might knock me out of the running.

If upcoming contests were declared in advance and everybody had a heads-up so they could start organizing ideas and creating assets, I think the end result might be better videos. At least, having more time would benefit me.

What does everyone else think? We have several weeks to form a consensus of opinion on the matter...
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14/06/2016 21:39:00

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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I think keeping each challenge separate would be best so they don't interfere with each other.
I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.
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14/06/2016 23:23:05

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MrDrWho13 wrote:
I think keeping each challenge separate would be best so they don't interfere with each other.


I wasn't talking about overlapping the contests... more like a "look-ahead" so we'd know what was coming. Or not. No big deal either way. This is going to be fun!

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


Didn't Clayster waive that music rule?
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15/06/2016 04:27:56

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PatMarrNC wrote:
MrDrWho13 wrote:
I think keeping each challenge separate would be best so they don't interfere with each other.


I wasn't talking about overlapping the contests... more like a "look-ahead" so we'd know what was coming. Or not. No big deal either way. This is going to be fun!

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


Didn't Clayster waive that music rule?


yes I waived that music rule, you can use any material from any free royalty sites, and original material, I have changed the rules.
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15/06/2016 04:27:56

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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PatMarrNC wrote:
MrDrWho13 wrote:
I think keeping each challenge separate would be best so they don't interfere with each other.


I wasn't talking about overlapping the contests... more like a "look-ahead" so we'd know what was coming. Or not. No big deal either way. This is going to be fun!

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


Didn't Clayster waive that music rule?


yes I waived that music rule, you can use any material from any free royalty sites, and original material, I have changed the rules.
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15/06/2016 14:37:41

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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MrDrWho13 wrote:

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...
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15/06/2016 15:23:40

toonaramaMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:

I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...


Muvizu is a blessing and a curse and we are watching, interminably watching.......and waiting......
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15/06/2016 15:42:41

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toonarama wrote:
PatMarrNC wrote:

I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...


Muvizu is a blessing and a curse and we are watching, interminably watching.......and waiting......


LOL!
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15/06/2016 16:51:15

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PatMarrNC wrote:
MrDrWho13 wrote:

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...


I waived that part, and updated the rules
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15/06/2016 16:52:39

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Yep, thanks for that. I think I have an idea now, so let's see how far that gets.

Edit: I'm linking the competition here for archive purposes: http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5749-make-me-laugh--comedy-competition.aspx?p=f#post30899
edited by MrDrWho13 on 15/06/2016
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20/07/2016 20:37:30

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soooooo... which mogul will be hosting the next contest? and what will be the theme?

(enquiring minds, you know the drill....)
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20/07/2016 20:39:21

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Pick me! Pick me!
I'm almost ready to start. I'm planning to make a video to give a brief outline of the rules and an example, but might end up just writing up the rules and doing the video later.
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20/07/2016 22:26:14

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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cool! I'm looking forward to seeing the contest parameters and prize. I think a million dollars would be a great prize.
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20/07/2016 22:36:38

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
cool! I'm looking forward to seeing the contest parameters and prize. I think a million dollars would be a great prize.

A million dollars! That sounds like a reasonable prize. I'll just ask Trump for a small loan.
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21/07/2016 13:24:36

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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The next competition has started, you have until August 14th to enter:
http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=5813&MessageID=31781#post31781
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03/08/2016 17:57:45

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I like these contests, and I hope they continue on a regular basis. It's interesting to see the usefulness of contests as a device for expediting the learning process. It's also interesting to see the observations the moguls make about the various videos.. they tend to notice and comment on the use of technique.

If we identified a skills scorecard and made it the advertised criteria for judgement, it would have several positive effects:

1) contributor/learners would consciously focus on including all the criteria in their projects, which would naturally push people into learning things they might not have approached otherwise

2) judging would be more empirical and less subjective

3) it would provide somewhat of a "to do" list for everyone who participates, which would make it easier to organize the project.

I'm not a mogul, so I wouldn't even know where to begin ... but I'm sure you all know what techniques and skills you consider to be essential to a good video. This is already getting long, so I'll start a new post for brainstorming ideas for such a list
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03/08/2016 18:18:59

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BRAINSTORMING IDEAS FOR CONTEST SKILLSETS
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points (1 to 10) could be awarded for each element in the list, depending on whether it was used at all, or on how well it was used

COMPLIANCE (does the entry meet the contest rules? Long/short enough? correct theme?)

THE STORY (does it flow? make sense? use of metaphor, irony, etc? Is it funny? )

INNOVATION (is there something new here?)

ORIGINALITY (did author use ALL original content? (as opposed to incorporating the work of others)

IMPROVEMENT (is this a step up from the person's other work?)

LEGALITY (are all elements legal to use? public domain or royalty free? original content?)
  • music (cite license, public domain status or originality)
  • downloaded models
  • 2d graphics
  • other merged video

MODELLING (quality of models, attachments, textures etc created by the project author)

ATTACHMENTS (clever use of attachments, such as Ikes' chicken idea)

SET BUILDING (is set original? or downloaded? How cool is it?)

BACKGROUND MUSIC (does it add something? Or get in the way? Is it original? Do you have the rights to use it?)

TECHNIQUE (points awarded for each technique listed)
  • shading
  • keyframing
  • effective use of environment
  • merging elements from different sources
  • etc.. moguls really need to populate this list.. these are just idea joggers
EDITING (value added in video editor)
  • additional keyframing
  • green screen
  • use of 2d elements to simulate 3d environment
  • special effects (sub list here?)
  • color binding to make all merged elements look like they exist in the same world
  • etc.. moguls really need to populate this list.. these are just idea joggers

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edited by PatMarrNC on 03/08/2016
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03/08/2016 18:28:45

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it would be useful to me to see how each judge graded such a list.. (a number for each item... ) on my projects.

When I'm learning, feedback like "ha ha that was good" doesn't tell me anything. An analysis of what I did right or could have done better is VERY helpful. ESPECIALLY if there is a number to gauge my need for improvement.

Anyway, all this is speculation, since no agreement has been made about the usefulness of the idea. I'm just brainstorming here.
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03/08/2016 19:02:03

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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That is a great list... for the Oscars Just making something that hangs together for it's duration is all we're really looking for here, along with effort. Anyway, bullet lists are for accountants, not artists - it's overthinking it to be so itemized, I would argue. Judging should be done based on your emotional reaction, not necessarily your rational reaction. I would argue.
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03/08/2016 19:02:05

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
it would be useful to me to see how each judge graded such a list.. (a number for each item... ) on my projects.

When I'm learning, feedback like "ha ha that was good" doesn't tell me anything. An analysis of what I did right or could have done better is VERY helpful. ESPECIALLY if there is a number to gauge my need for improvement.

Anyway, all this is speculation, since no agreement has been made about the usefulness of the idea. I'm just brainstorming here.

I like the idea of a feedback system for competition entries like you suggested. I'll see what I can do for the current one.
Maybe a future competition can be based on these points... if only there were someone to run it..... Pat?
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03/08/2016 19:48:45

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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MrDrWho13 wrote:

I like the idea of a feedback system for competition entries like you suggested. I'll see what I can do for the current one.
Maybe a future competition can be based on these points... if only there were someone to run it..... Pat?


I'm not a mogul, but if that's not a requirement, I'll be happy to sponsor a future contest and judge it by these criteria. I might even offer a cash prize, payable directly to paypal. (thanks to Rocque for that idea)

We might have to loosen up on the Mogul sponsorship anyway, since there's only a handful of them who regularly hang out here anymore. I think the contests do a good job of building a sense of community among those who do participate regularly.
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03/08/2016 19:56:05

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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ziggy72 wrote:
That is a great list... for the Oscars Just making something that hangs together for it's duration is all we're really looking for here, along with effort. Anyway, bullet lists are for accountants, not artists - it's overthinking it to be so itemized, I would argue. Judging should be done based on your emotional reaction, not necessarily your rational reaction. I would argue.


I agree that art is essentially valued by its ability to appeal to an audience in ways that can't be measured empirically.

But when it comes to software, proficiency is indeed measurable. That doesn't take anything away from the primary value... rather, it adds a new functionality to the mix.

IMO, part of the advantage of having different people sponsor the contests is to get a feel for how others approach (and evaluate) the creative process. Therefore, having different standards for each contest makes it interesting and challenging in a new way for each contest.

So , it makes sense for this to be an advance declaration of how my contest will be judged, and not a standard for anyone else to use. Thanks to MDW13 for suggesting that.
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10/08/2016 14:43:24

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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as the deadline for the current contest draws near... are any of the moguls planning the next one? If so, great! ... but if not, I want to sponsor a contest at some point.
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11/08/2016 08:51:54

fosforino
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Mi piacerebbe partecipare ad Una sfida senza premio.A patto che possano partecipare sopratutto i principianti, cioè persone che utilizzano Muvizu non una scopo commerciale (o almeno non ancora) poichè servirebbe per testare le proprie capacità ed autostimolarsi per migliorare le proprie competenze.
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11/08/2016 09:00:16

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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I think you're right, fosforino.
Either Pat's competition(unless your plan is already made, Pat), or the following one should be based on the free version.

Not sure how the prizes would work with that competition though.
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11/08/2016 16:30:03

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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fosforino wrote:
Mi piacerebbe partecipare ad Una sfida senza premio.A patto che possano partecipare sopratutto i principianti, cioè persone che utilizzano Muvizu non una scopo commerciale (o almeno non ancora) poichè servirebbe per testare le proprie capacità ed autostimolarsi per migliorare le proprie competenze.


Google translate version:

I'd like to participate in a challenge without premio. A condition that they can participate especially beginners, ie people using Muvizu not a commercial purpose (or at least not yet) as it would serve to test their skills and stim to improve their skills.


I'm not sure what "without premio" means. In general I take this to be a request for a contest using the free version only. (Is that your take, MDW13?)

If so, That's a good idea... it's more inclusive.... but it isn't a good fit for the challenge I want to make.

This one might be a good contest for Muvizu to sponsor because they could award a full license to the winner(s)
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11/08/2016 16:34:55

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
I'm not sure what "without premio" means. In general I take this to be a request for a contest using the free version only. (Is that your take, MDW13?)

Yeah, I assume fosforino meant the free version.
I'd be happy to run a competition for beginners in the future, but Digimania would need to co-operate since the natural prize would be a licence.
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15/08/2016 20:26:29

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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has anybody talked to Digimania about this yet?
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15/08/2016 20:41:34

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
has anybody talked to Digimania about this yet?


Not yet, I think it would be a good idea to have a couple of competitions complete first to show it can work. They were sceptical about giving out licences before.
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21/08/2016 01:22:32

maurice8th
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With the expansion of new media taking it's place on digital platforms, I think forward is the only direction!
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21/08/2016 02:26:48

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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Funny skit, Maurice! I hope you'll be entering my aug-sept contest! I notice the Muvizu logo was visible.. is that because you're using the free version? If so, you could win a license to the full version in my contest ....
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21/08/2016 05:55:28

maurice8th
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Thank you, sir! And I've already purchased the software last year, just to mention. Will try to meet the deadline but I'm juggling a few other things behind the scenes. Will be in touch!
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21/08/2016 10:43:33

gimmick
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The prizes could be also Muvizu T-shirt, Muvizu bag, etc


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21/08/2016 15:49:00

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gimmick wrote:
The prizes could be also Muvizu T-shirt, Muvizu bag, etc




the summer 2016 contests are all being sponsored by forum members, and the prizes are provided by the sponsor (not by Digimania).

If I had a Muvizu T shirt, I probably wouldn't give it away. ;-)
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22/08/2016 19:13:29

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
gimmick wrote:
The prizes could be also Muvizu T-shirt, Muvizu bag, etc




the summer 2016 contests are all being sponsored by forum members, and the prizes are provided by the sponsor (not by Digimania).

If I had a Muvizu T shirt, I probably wouldn't give it away. ;-)

They used to give out t-shirts and stuff to the most frequent users, but I think they moved away from the community concept after it went non-beta.
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23/08/2016 01:15:40

fosforino
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Ciao sto preparando un lavoro, spero che domani, io possa caricarlo su Muvizu.
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23/08/2016 03:08:44

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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fosforino wrote:
Ciao sto preparando un lavoro, spero che domani, io possa caricarlo su Muvizu.


google translate interprets that as follows:
Hello I am preparing a job, I hope that tomorrow, I can upload it to Muvizu.


Cool! I hope its for the contest!
I look forward to seeing it! (remember the English subtitles)

or, as Google translate would say:
Fresco! Spero che la sua per il concorso!
Non vedo l'ora di vederlo! (Ricordate i sottotitoli in inglese)


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