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30/10/2010 11:29:11

toonaramaMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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"The Book" was a worthy winner of the Raindance competition and is now widely regarded as the best Muvizu animation so far.

However I must admit I still think "Beware The Pie" is the best so far because although they both used post processing I think take it away and Beware the Pie would stand up better as a Muvizu only animation.

But the point is it is very difficult to have an objective opinion because both animations have so successfully intertwined the two.

I think this does create difficulties for the competitions which thus far have stated that they will be judged on their use of Muvizu. In the Raindance competition I think it is safe to say the Matt's animation was so far ahead that it would have won without it's use of AE, but in future competitions the difference may not be so clear cut.

This could be exacerbated by the fact that external judges would not necessarily know what parts of the animation were actually Muvizu and which were not.

I am not sure who eventually judged the Raindance competition as the news update implies that it may have been carried out in-house; but if it was judged by Raindance judges would they have appreciated what was Muvizu and what was not? Of course using in-house judges would create it's own problems.

At the end of the day it is obviously Vince/Muvizu's call (and money!) but I still think it is an interesting subject to debate.
30/10/2010 22:50:45

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
Posts: 1988
You know, I was thinking the same thing when I was going to comment on 'The Book' - brilliant as it was, it was clearly way beyond what you could achieve with Muvizu alone, but there was no stipulation that you weren't allowed to, so...where do you draw the line? 'Beware The Pie' relies on post production much less, but it's still not what you'd call pure Muvizu. One thing occured to me though - in 'The Book', the Muvizu logo disappears sometimes because of the post production. A 'pure' Muvizu film would always have the logo displayed in the same place, so could that be the limiter, the defining factor to say that a film counts as being less processed and therefore more of a pure Muvizu creation? I try to avoid post production if I can, but there's just no way to properly edit a (complex) scene in the program, and the animated objects and effects are not here just yet.

Muvizu is a great tool to generate characters and actions, but until it can do proper editing, FX and multichannel sound mixing you'll always need more programs to support it. Personally, I think the Devs should just stick to improving what Muvizu does best, and accept that 3rd party software will always be necessary (for the more complex stuff anyway).

One last thing - did Mysto's 'Adventures Inc' have any post production on it? It looked entirely Muvizu generated to me. Even without After Effects and the like, you can make something really good. The case for the prosecution rests.
31/10/2010 13:11:49

ukBertyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
Posts: 975
Firstly thanks you both for your kind words regarding "Beware the Pie" - cheers.

"The Book" has a fantastic slick look which I have no idea how to emulate, so by necessity my animations are, at the moment anyway, closer to "Pure" Muvizu.

Post processing is a tough one. I don't like using it either because it takes so long to get everything just right.

I'm just looking through part two (out next week folks !) to see why I use post production. Here are my top 5 reasons....

at No 5 - Backdrops aren't big enough. If you have a large scene and a panoramic shot then the widescreen backdrop doesn't cover the whole of the width. I resort to multiple green screens and putting the backdrop in later (example - starry sight sky in part 2).

at No 4 - Character movement control. I know that this is being worked on, but this really is the most frustrating part of Muvizu at the moment. And why did I write that bloody donkey into the story, it's nothing but trouble and requires much post processing (example - Eddie & M on donkey in part 1)

In at No 3 - See through windows. Maybe this is possible, but I can't see how to do it. I have to set the window colour to my favourite shade of lime green and put in the background in post. (example - Hotel room in Part 1)

Number 2 - Moving objects. I try to keep this to a minimum, but sometimes things just have to move about (example - taxi in part 1).

And still at number 1 - opening doors/windows. Who'd have thought that so many doors need to be opened when telling a story. (example - hotel door opening in part 1).

When Muvizu have refined all the points above (and I'm sure they will) there will be no need for me to use AE.

Ziggy72 - I'm afraid your Muvizu logo idea won't work. I have an AVI file of just the logo which I superimpose over my projects in AE to keep the logo there and consistent.

I agree that Muvizu should keep trying to improve the core of what it does really well. Please don't spend time creating a multi-track 5.1 surround mixing system - there are plenty of those out there.

31/10/2010 18:43:51

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
Posts: 1988
"Ziggy72 - I'm afraid your Muvizu logo idea won't work. I have an AVI file of just the logo which I superimpose over my projects in AE to keep the logo there and consistent"

Damn! Thought I had an idea there, and you go and ruin it by being all clever and resourceful!
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