Muvizu | Very slow on moderate PC wih basic graphics - Tech Help

26/07/2013 08:03:16

aberglas
Posts: 3

Muvizu looks great but is unusably slow on my machine.

Just mother board graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. Win 7 rating 3.2. 256 meg ram.

I do not expect super fast games etc. on such a machine. But an empty scene with a single cube takes a full second per frame. And it seems to be missing mouse input which is surprising. So I am suspicious that it is *that* slow. Does one really need a high end graphics card to run at all?

The machine is a fairly powerful Athlon 4 core 3 GHz with 4 gig ram. Win 7 cpu rating 7.3. Is not thrashing according to res monitor -- no faults. CPU abuot 15% continuously while Muvizu is open, regardless of what it is doing. (Thats 15% of 4 cores.)

Also, can Muvizu run at all on laptops that are not very high end?

Thanks,

Anthony

26/07/2013 08:33:42

Mike_Num_5
Posts: 165

Hi aberglas,

Is the slowness issue you are experiencing on a PC with the specs:
'mother board graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. Win 7 rating 3.2. 256 meg ram'?
Or
'Athlon 4 core 3 GHz with 4 gig ram. Win 7'?

Whats the graphics card in the fairly powerful PC you mentioned?

Muvizu can run on laptops that are not kitted out to be top spec, we have a few in the Muvizu HQ that run it fine. So it just depends on what the internal parts of the laptop are like.

-Mike.

26/07/2013 10:33:42

Lev_Dynamite
Posts: 157

aberglas wrote:

Also, can Muvizu run at all on laptops that are not very high end?

Our minimum specs can be found here: http://www.muvizu.com/System-requirements <--- these details may be a little outdated now and we'll probably revise them soon, but as of last time we checked you should be able to run Muvizu:Play on any machine which meets these requirements. Obviously if you are bang on or not much better than those requirements, though, the app may run slowly or encounter problems than if you were a good bit better than those minimum specs.

26/07/2013 18:48:11

ziggy72
Posts: 1988

aberglas wrote:

Just mother board graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. Win 7 rating 3.2. 256 meg ram.

Just so you know, The Windows rating refers to the PC's ability to run the Aero interface, that's all. And the minimum pass is, I believe, 2. Since your onboard graphics can barely scrape over that, you'll really struggle running a game engine, which is what Muvizu is built from.

(Muvizu HQ, I'd recommend adding something about recommending a more Gamer's spec setup in the system reqs for the program. So many people are on the forums trying to get this running on their (business spec) laptops - they just don't get it. It would save a lot of hassle to be a bit more realistic about the minimum spec (as opposed to hopelessly optimistic as it is now

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26/07/2013 19:27:13

urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786

ziggy72 wrote:

(Muvizu HQ, I'd recommend adding something about recommending a more Gamer's spec setup in the system reqs for the program. So many people are on the forums trying to get this running on their (business spec) laptops - they just don't get it. It would save a lot of hassle to be a bit more realistic about the minimum spec (as opposed to hopelessly optimistic as it is now

)

Yup i second that. This application can fry cards as well and then people get mad at the developer when in fact its them using a pc that has to work super hard to run the software.

minimum settings is fine but a "recommended setup" would help a lot. I have seen a lot of people trying to run this on pc's that i feel they shouldn't because its pushing the hardware too hard and then they have no pc to do their wordprocessing etc on. People see minimum specs as often meaning the software should work properly when all they mean is that the software will run and that is where it ends Big Grin

26/07/2013 20:16:10

SterlingHolobyte
Posts: 1

So, based on the minimum specifications, would I be able to run Muvizu with little lag on my iMac(with Bootcamp Windows partition of course)?
I have 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 memory, and for graphics I have NVIDIA GeForce 9400 with 256 MB VRAM.

I am not that "up" on how Macs work with Muvizu, so would this be even worth downloading this or should I wait until I get a more powerful computer(if I do)?

26/07/2013 20:32:26

urbanlamb
(Account inactive)
Posts: 1786

I think you will have more then a little lag but you can try to do something small with it. I think for me the delay and lag would be unbearable as I would imagine it would take a very long time to get anything done, but its up to you

26/07/2013 20:33:07

ziggy72
Posts: 1988

Although your video card does meet the shader requirements, it would be at the slow end of the performance chart. It should work (with bootcamp and all that) but it wouldn't be a slick experience, to put it mildly. I'd save up and get a decent PC (not laptop!) if I were you.

27/07/2013 02:25:49

aberglas
Posts: 3

I tried it on a laptop with better video and it ran a lot better.

I am still surprised. To draw a simple cube on a background should not stress any video chip, even the CPU should be able to do that much easily!

I had seen the System-Requirements page, and it is useless. It actually demonstrates what is wrong with using Muvivu style demos. All the work went into the movie, no work at all went into the content. So the useless static content was just made into a useless movie which just wastes peoples time. Better to just delete the page.

There is scope for something decent on this page, especially as graphics cards and chips are so hard to really understand. Do I need the $200 one to run Muvivu or will the $50 do? "It all depends" is not a helpful answer.

One idea is to at least provide a quick 3D benchmark people can run. I found the following useful, barely ran on my desktop.

http://3d.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=3d&cdn=gadgets&tm=4&f=21&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=3&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//chrysaora.com/

29/07/2013 07:34:34

glasgowjim
Posts: 698

Sorry for any frustration caused, but as Muvizu is based upon the Unreal 3 engine it is very resource intensive - so even doing things like "drawing a simple cube" requires a relatively powerful PC.

I have raised an improvement for our website to include our recommended s

26/07/2013 08:03:16 aberglas Posts: 3	Muvizu looks great but is unusably slow on my machine. Just mother board graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. Win 7 rating 3.2. 256 meg ram. I do not expect super fast games etc. on such a machine. But an empty scene with a single cube takes a full second per frame. And it seems to be missing mouse input which is surprising. So I am suspicious that it is that slow. Does one really need a high end graphics card to run at all? The machine is a fairly powerful Athlon 4 core 3 GHz with 4 gig ram. Win 7 cpu rating 7.3. Is not thrashing according to res monitor -- no faults. CPU abuot 15% continuously while Muvizu is open, regardless of what it is doing. (Thats 15% of 4 cores.) Also, can Muvizu run at all on laptops that are not very high end? Thanks, Anthony
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26/07/2013 08:33:42 Mike_Num_5 Posts: 165	Hi aberglas, Is the slowness issue you are experiencing on a PC with the specs: 'mother board graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. Win 7 rating 3.2. 256 meg ram'? Or 'Athlon 4 core 3 GHz with 4 gig ram. Win 7'? Whats the graphics card in the fairly powerful PC you mentioned? Muvizu can run on laptops that are not kitted out to be top spec, we have a few in the Muvizu HQ that run it fine. So it just depends on what the internal parts of the laptop are like. -Mike.
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26/07/2013 10:33:42 Lev_Dynamite Posts: 157	aberglas wrote: Also, can Muvizu run at all on laptops that are not very high end? Our minimum specs can be found here: http://www.muvizu.com/System-requirements <--- these details may be a little outdated now and we'll probably revise them soon, but as of last time we checked you should be able to run Muvizu:Play on any machine which meets these requirements. Obviously if you are bang on or not much better than those requirements, though, the app may run slowly or encounter problems than if you were a good bit better than those minimum specs.
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26/07/2013 18:48:11 ziggy72 Posts: 1988	aberglas wrote: Just mother board graphics, NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. Win 7 rating 3.2. 256 meg ram. Just so you know, The Windows rating refers to the PC's ability to run the Aero interface, that's all. And the minimum pass is, I believe, 2. Since your onboard graphics can barely scrape over that, you'll really struggle running a game engine, which is what Muvizu is built from. (Muvizu HQ, I'd recommend adding something about recommending a more Gamer's spec setup in the system reqs for the program. So many people are on the forums trying to get this running on their (business spec) laptops - they just don't get it. It would save a lot of hassle to be a bit more realistic about the minimum spec (as opposed to hopelessly optimistic as it is now )
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26/07/2013 19:27:13 urbanlamb (Account inactive) Posts: 1786	ziggy72 wrote: (Muvizu HQ, I'd recommend adding something about recommending a more Gamer's spec setup in the system reqs for the program. So many people are on the forums trying to get this running on their (business spec) laptops - they just don't get it. It would save a lot of hassle to be a bit more realistic about the minimum spec (as opposed to hopelessly optimistic as it is now ) Yup i second that. This application can fry cards as well and then people get mad at the developer when in fact its them using a pc that has to work super hard to run the software. minimum settings is fine but a "recommended setup" would help a lot. I have seen a lot of people trying to run this on pc's that i feel they shouldn't because its pushing the hardware too hard and then they have no pc to do their wordprocessing etc on. People see minimum specs as often meaning the software should work properly when all they mean is that the software will run and that is where it ends
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26/07/2013 20:16:10 SterlingHolobyte Posts: 1	So, based on the minimum specifications, would I be able to run Muvizu with little lag on my iMac(with Bootcamp Windows partition of course)? I have 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 memory, and for graphics I have NVIDIA GeForce 9400 with 256 MB VRAM. I am not that "up" on how Macs work with Muvizu, so would this be even worth downloading this or should I wait until I get a more powerful computer(if I do)?
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26/07/2013 20:32:26 urbanlamb (Account inactive) Posts: 1786	I think you will have more then a little lag but you can try to do something small with it. I think for me the delay and lag would be unbearable as I would imagine it would take a very long time to get anything done, but its up to you
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26/07/2013 20:33:07 ziggy72 Posts: 1988	Although your video card does meet the shader requirements, it would be at the slow end of the performance chart. It should work (with bootcamp and all that) but it wouldn't be a slick experience, to put it mildly. I'd save up and get a decent PC (not laptop!) if I were you.
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27/07/2013 02:25:49 aberglas Posts: 3	I tried it on a laptop with better video and it ran a lot better. I am still surprised. To draw a simple cube on a background should not stress any video chip, even the CPU should be able to do that much easily! I had seen the System-Requirements page, and it is useless. It actually demonstrates what is wrong with using Muvivu style demos. All the work went into the movie, no work at all went into the content. So the useless static content was just made into a useless movie which just wastes peoples time. Better to just delete the page. There is scope for something decent on this page, especially as graphics cards and chips are so hard to really understand. Do I need the $200 one to run Muvivu or will the $50 do? "It all depends" is not a helpful answer. One idea is to at least provide a quick 3D benchmark people can run. I found the following useful, barely ran on my desktop. http://3d.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=3d&cdn=gadgets&tm=4&f=21&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=3&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//chrysaora.com/
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29/07/2013 07:34:34 glasgowjim Posts: 698	Sorry for any frustration caused, but as Muvizu is based upon the Unreal 3 engine it is very resource intensive - so even doing things like "drawing a simple cube" requires a relatively powerful PC. I have raised an improvement for our website to include our recommended s

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