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09/04/2013 23:30:27

ste_yeu
ste_yeu
Posts: 14 		I hope that I'll be clear, because english isn't my mother language... :P

I can't understand how to calculate the price for watermark-free videos. For example: if I make a video of 10 minutes, it costs (offer) £ 50 or £ 150 for high quality, right?

To determine a video duration I need to publish it with the watermark before? When will watermark be removed?
Thanks in advance.
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09/04/2013 23:52:48

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		you publish inside muvizu and it will calculate how much to charge you. If you go into the video publish section you choose from the menu watermark free and size and then it calculates price and you press a button and it takes you to a payment page
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10/04/2013 09:54:52

ste_yeu
ste_yeu
Posts: 14 		urbanlamb wrote:
you publish inside muvizu and it will calculate how much to charge you. If you go into the video publish section you choose from the menu watermark free and size and then it calculates price and you press a button and it takes you to a payment page

Thank you, urbanlamb. In fact it's easy.
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10/04/2013 10:30:05

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		What a ripoff! This charge is for every video you make, not a one off payment! You could end up paying thousands of pounds to these controlling, greedy people, because you can't buy the software. Nasty!
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10/04/2013 10:36:30

Marco_D
Marco_D
Posts: 582 		I think you missed the point here.

If you are still testing your set, just use the free rendering and when all is ready to go, use the option that allows the removal of the watermark.
You can still do the exact same thing you would in the previous versions - for free.

Once your work is done, if you pay once and don't change anything, you can still keep publish the same work over and over without making more payments.

You really should do your research before posting.
If you have any questions please let us know. We are here to help.

Regards,
Marco
edited by Marco_D on 10/04/2013
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10/04/2013 10:40:38

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		Yes, but the charge is per video, so my original point stands.

You are just waffling.
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10/04/2013 10:45:04

Marco_D
Marco_D
Posts: 582 		Yes, it is per video.

I was trying to show that you can do the exact same thing you were doing with the previous versions.
And also, how you could set your work flow in a way so you don't pay for every test you need to make.

Thanks for your feedback.

Regards,
Marco
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10/04/2013 10:56:04

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		Yes, I'm sure we are all fully aware that it can still be done free, but my point was if we decide to pay for removal it doesn't end there because every video we make, (per video) we will have to pay a charge.

You should really try to resist jumping in before you understand what is written.
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10/04/2013 11:02:10

toonaramaMuvizu mogulExperimental user
toonarama
Posts: 661 		All
I think there is an issue with the way this has been implemented.
The vast majority of us (I would imagine) use Muvizu to shoot our scenes and then use an external video editor to perform our editing. Therefore you might end up producing perhaps 10 minutes of Muvizu clips and ending up with only 3 minutes of actual finished footage.

The payment method is charging you for the length of your Muvizu clips and will not equate to the length of the final video.

I could not work any differently therefore I don't envisage ever being able to justify paying for the non watermarked version unless i was comissioned to produce a video by someone with deep pockets.

Thanks

Toonarama
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10/04/2013 11:14:25

DreekoMuvizu mogulExperimental user
Dreeko
Posts: 1257 		piquet wrote:
Yes, but the charge is per video, so my original point stands.

You are just waffling.


Wrong!

I have made many videos using Muvizu, all of which are watermarked with the Muvizu logo and all videos have been made free at a resolution of 1280 x 720.

Now, if I still want to continue making videos with Muvizu as I have done happily before with the same quality (and now using more features!) I can still do so without spending a penny!

The only difference now is that today (if I wished to do so!) I can have the watermark removed for a price!
The only way this was possible before was to contact Muvizu yourself and negotiate with them on a case by case basis about the use of your video for commercial use with the logo removed.

Unless Pixar, the BBC or whoever approach me with a commercial proposition about one of my videos then I will have no need to remove the logo and therefore no need to part with any money.

In summary:

Can I still make videos of the same quality for FREE as before ....YES!!
Will I be out of pocket in any way....NO!!

The logo is there if you want to use Muvizu for free

Take it off and you pay.
It really is that simple.

Cheers
D
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10/04/2013 11:19:28

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		Right!

I advise you to read ALL the posts above and not pick one post out of context!
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10/04/2013 11:35:22

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		piquet wrote:
Right!

I advise you to read ALL the posts above and not pick one post out of context!



I think you are being a bit rude to the people who are trying to help you. hmm
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10/04/2013 11:42:11

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		How, exactly, is that a rude comment!?
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10/04/2013 11:49:20

toonaramaMuvizu mogulExperimental user
toonarama
Posts: 661 		piquet wrote:
How, exactly, is that a rude comment!?


Piquet

Unfortunately I think you have made a valid point but lost everybody by your dialogue (nasty, greedy etc).

It is valid to say that if you want to make a non-watermarked video it is going to cost you every time to make your video rather than with other software like ICLONE where you pay for it upfront but can then produce as many non-watermarked videos as you want at no additional cost.

I am not sure how the business models will compare but unless you are a business or have someone financing you I don't think that non-watermarked videos will ever be viable
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10/04/2013 12:00:54

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		Sometimes the truth hurts!

Actually I'm pretty sure you can now get iclone4 free and still use it for commercial uses. It's the content packs you have to pay for.
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10/04/2013 12:02:30

ukBertyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
ukBerty
Posts: 975 		I guess that introducing money into the equation was always going to bring out the vitriol. We live in a world where people have grown up not paying for anything so it probably comes as a bit of a shock.

I too would like to pay next to nothing to get rid of the watermark. I also want free beer and a jetpack.


Muvizu takes money to develop and unless Digimania come up with a workable system to produce a return for their efforts then development will eventually stop which is no good for any of us.


The fact that we can still make our videos in exactly the same quality for free maintains the status quo and gives this model time to settle down.


Like Toonarama I could immediately see that I would be overpaying due to the way I work and raised this during the launch presentation. The idea is that you prepare everything with the logo and once you have assembled it you go back and re-render just the segments you are using without the logo. Yes, I can see this as a massive production overhead as well but there we have it.


If you don't like the price then carry on as you were and we'll see how it all pans out.
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10/04/2013 12:09:25

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		ukBerty wrote:

Like Toonarama I could immediately see that I would be overpaying due to the way I work and raised this during the launch presentation. The idea is that you prepare everything with the logo and once you have assembled it you go back and re-render just the segments you are using without the logo. Yes, I can see this as a massive production overhead as well but there we have it



Great idea, I never thought of it like that!
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10/04/2013 12:16:49

piquet
piquet
Posts: 12 		I am not objecting to them putting a price on removal of the watermark, I object to the amount they expect, that users who wish to remove the watermark will have to pay reoccurring charges on every video they produce and the fact that they will not put a price on buying the software.

Removal of the watermark should be a one off payment, as is the case with the majority, (If not all) of the other software that output a watermark on the finished work.
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10/04/2013 12:20:38

tonyf69
tonyf69
Posts: 11 		A better solution is have a pro version for sale, this is the norm. Why try to re-invent the way things are done? I was thinking of using Muvizu commercially in Thailand, but I can't see a way of doing it as my prices will be to high and in the future I could not offer discounts to loyal customers. If I owned a copy of the program I would be free to adjust my pricing as I see fit.

I have bought several lesser programs over the years and would certainly be first in line to pay for a pro version of Muvizu.
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10/04/2013 12:26:15

ukBertyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
ukBerty
Posts: 975 		piquet wrote:
Removal of the watermark should be a one off payment, as is the case with the majority, (If not all) of the other software that output a watermark on the finished work.


Personally I would have preferred this approach as well, depending on the price of course. It would'nt cause the production issues that the "pay per minute" system introduces.
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